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		<title>Comment on Friar&#8217;s Club Honors Larry by nikkicraft</title>
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		<dc:creator>nikkicraft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dana,
I agree. ~nikki</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dana,<br />
I agree. ~nikki</p>
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		<title>Comment on Friar&#8217;s Club Honors Larry by Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We can take comfort in the idea of child sex offenders as horrible aberrations. They’re monsters. We’re nothing like them.&lt;/i&gt;

I am commenting on this post even though it&#039;s an old one because this statement in particular really bothers me.

It is a MYTH that child sexual abusers are &quot;horrible aberrations&quot; and &quot;nothing like&quot; the rest of us.  How do you think they get away with their crimes for so long before they&#039;re finally caught--if they ever are caught?

Trust me on this.  There are guys out there getting off on this stuff that you would NEVER guess were guilty of it.  Never ever EVER.  And that&#039;s part of what makes it so insidious.  There are guys who get off on the images but never buy them and never actually molest a child.  There are guys who will rape their own daughters but leave other men&#039;s daughters alone.  There are many different ways this thing manifests.

Maybe by &quot;aberration&quot; Katz is referring to how these men&#039;s minds work.  Fair enough.  But there isn&#039;t a special magic tattoo that appears on their foreheads to warn the rest of us away.  I wish there were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We can take comfort in the idea of child sex offenders as horrible aberrations. They’re monsters. We’re nothing like them.</i></p>
<p>I am commenting on this post even though it&#8217;s an old one because this statement in particular really bothers me.</p>
<p>It is a MYTH that child sexual abusers are &#8220;horrible aberrations&#8221; and &#8220;nothing like&#8221; the rest of us.  How do you think they get away with their crimes for so long before they&#8217;re finally caught&#8211;if they ever are caught?</p>
<p>Trust me on this.  There are guys out there getting off on this stuff that you would NEVER guess were guilty of it.  Never ever EVER.  And that&#8217;s part of what makes it so insidious.  There are guys who get off on the images but never buy them and never actually molest a child.  There are guys who will rape their own daughters but leave other men&#8217;s daughters alone.  There are many different ways this thing manifests.</p>
<p>Maybe by &#8220;aberration&#8221; Katz is referring to how these men&#8217;s minds work.  Fair enough.  But there isn&#8217;t a special magic tattoo that appears on their foreheads to warn the rest of us away.  I wish there were.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tonya Flynt speaks out against The People Vs Larry Flynt and her father by Harmony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harmony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry your dad hurt you, your sister, and your mother so terribly. I&#039;m sorry he&#039;s hurt countless others. I heard that he has disinherited you for publically telling the truth about him sexually abusing you. That is just disgusting. If I were you I would feel unimaginably angry. I hope you are coping with all these struggles. I&#039;m sorry if what I am about to say hurts you -- I know you love him -- but your dad is an awful human being!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry your dad hurt you, your sister, and your mother so terribly. I&#8217;m sorry he&#8217;s hurt countless others. I heard that he has disinherited you for publically telling the truth about him sexually abusing you. That is just disgusting. If I were you I would feel unimaginably angry. I hope you are coping with all these struggles. I&#8217;m sorry if what I am about to say hurts you &#8212; I know you love him &#8212; but your dad is an awful human being!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Getting the Monster in My Cupboard: A Personal Account by Rebecca by Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 07:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank everyone again for your thoughtful comments.
Ang, I found your comment very moving. I think it is very sad that suffering can open your heart top compassion. I wish I had never know the thing that I know. But, I do believe that my experiences have empathy. It is very hard, for I feel so much sadness that the hatred of women and children is still so overpowering. I also feel anger at the way women and children are living with mental and physical torture in a pornified culture. 
I feel the most important feeling I have my anger can lead to my campaigning through writing to show how deeply porn causes massive harm. I feel grief for what happen to me, which make attempt to prevent such crimes in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank everyone again for your thoughtful comments.<br />
Ang, I found your comment very moving. I think it is very sad that suffering can open your heart top compassion. I wish I had never know the thing that I know. But, I do believe that my experiences have empathy. It is very hard, for I feel so much sadness that the hatred of women and children is still so overpowering. I also feel anger at the way women and children are living with mental and physical torture in a pornified culture.<br />
I feel the most important feeling I have my anger can lead to my campaigning through writing to show how deeply porn causes massive harm. I feel grief for what happen to me, which make attempt to prevent such crimes in the future.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About Us by Star Dragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Star Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The porn industry, like other anti-feminists, interpert     &lt;i&gt; any degree of criticism whatsoever,&lt;/i&gt; &lt;b&gt;or even the espousing of a contrary opinion,&lt;/b&gt; as censorship. And they will act to suppress it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The porn industry, like other anti-feminists, interpert     <i> any degree of criticism whatsoever,</i> <b>or even the espousing of a contrary opinion,</b> as censorship. And they will act to suppress it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Getting the Monster in My Cupboard: A Personal Account by Rebecca by Ang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebecca, when you said your experiences gave you compassion, it broke my heart. So many times I have tried to convince people of the damage that porn does, because like you and many others here, I have experienced it myself. It seems so many people just don&#039;t want to hear, in their blind defence of pornography as free speech, choice, empowerment and all those other nice, convenient, modern words. The word compassion rings in my ears every time I feel the frustration that they just don&#039;t see it for what it is. I wonder is it only through experiencing suffering ourselves that we can understand the suffering of others? It breaks my heart that there is such a lack of compassion in this world, and so much hatred directed towards women. Thank you so much for your story. It has given me strength and inspiration. xx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca, when you said your experiences gave you compassion, it broke my heart. So many times I have tried to convince people of the damage that porn does, because like you and many others here, I have experienced it myself. It seems so many people just don&#8217;t want to hear, in their blind defence of pornography as free speech, choice, empowerment and all those other nice, convenient, modern words. The word compassion rings in my ears every time I feel the frustration that they just don&#8217;t see it for what it is. I wonder is it only through experiencing suffering ourselves that we can understand the suffering of others? It breaks my heart that there is such a lack of compassion in this world, and so much hatred directed towards women. Thank you so much for your story. It has given me strength and inspiration. xx</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tonya Flynt speaks out against The People Vs Larry Flynt and her father by Pavitra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pavitra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tonya,

Just three words:

I believe you!

Well okay more than that - I support you, I salute you, and I hope you win your fight to be heard. I was subjected to viewing your father&#039;s misogynistic trash growing up amongst other types of sexual abuse, and yes, it does leave its scars, you are right.

I&#039;m so very sorry... sorry you&#039;ve had to also be silent out of fear and sorry that your father exploited you like this. Keep fighting the good fight, such evil cannot be allowed to win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonya,</p>
<p>Just three words:</p>
<p>I believe you!</p>
<p>Well okay more than that &#8211; I support you, I salute you, and I hope you win your fight to be heard. I was subjected to viewing your father&#8217;s misogynistic trash growing up amongst other types of sexual abuse, and yes, it does leave its scars, you are right.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so very sorry&#8230; sorry you&#8217;ve had to also be silent out of fear and sorry that your father exploited you like this. Keep fighting the good fight, such evil cannot be allowed to win.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pole Dancing as Empowerment by Huma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 04:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best. Video. Ever.

Since Colbert isn&#039;t a &quot;fat, hairy, lesbian,&quot; and since he&#039;s a million times funnier and tactful than I am about these things, hopefully he can get the message through to more people: stripping isn&#039;t empowerment.

--&quot;Probably, the spins are most empowering.&quot;

--&quot;I think my husband enjoys it probably more than I do...&quot;

*guffaw!!*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best. Video. Ever.</p>
<p>Since Colbert isn&#8217;t a &#8220;fat, hairy, lesbian,&#8221; and since he&#8217;s a million times funnier and tactful than I am about these things, hopefully he can get the message through to more people: stripping isn&#8217;t empowerment.</p>
<p>&#8211;&#8221;Probably, the spins are most empowering.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;&#8221;I think my husband enjoys it probably more than I do&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>*guffaw!!*</p>
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		<title>Comment on Concerns about the Anti-Pornography Activist Page by K.A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>K.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 05:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes, Nikki! Why does activism have to be nearly impossible?! Every which way you turn is another slippery slope that has to be dealt with. Gah! You work too hard. 

As for the youtube flagging advice, that doesn&#039;t work. If you flag a misogynistic video, they just add an age restriction warning before the page loads. Take that, developing minds! Don&#039;t even search for massage techniques. For every one shiatsu instructional vid, there are twenty &quot;Asian breast and buttocks massage&quot; videos. And there is no way to flag abusive comments. If they don&#039;t want the pain of an abusive comment flagging system (even though they have a system for flagging spam), surely adding a feature enabling users to block other users would be in order. I have never watched a video there that didn&#039;t have at least one misogynist comment, no matter how unrelated. They don&#039;t care about alienating women because men created the site, so it&#039;s not their issue. Putting bitches in their place boosts the morale of the male users, so as long as it&#039;s helping business...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes, Nikki! Why does activism have to be nearly impossible?! Every which way you turn is another slippery slope that has to be dealt with. Gah! You work too hard. </p>
<p>As for the youtube flagging advice, that doesn&#8217;t work. If you flag a misogynistic video, they just add an age restriction warning before the page loads. Take that, developing minds! Don&#8217;t even search for massage techniques. For every one shiatsu instructional vid, there are twenty &#8220;Asian breast and buttocks massage&#8221; videos. And there is no way to flag abusive comments. If they don&#8217;t want the pain of an abusive comment flagging system (even though they have a system for flagging spam), surely adding a feature enabling users to block other users would be in order. I have never watched a video there that didn&#8217;t have at least one misogynist comment, no matter how unrelated. They don&#8217;t care about alienating women because men created the site, so it&#8217;s not their issue. Putting bitches in their place boosts the morale of the male users, so as long as it&#8217;s helping business&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pole Dancing as Empowerment by K.A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>K.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 05:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good piece, not that I trust Colbert&#039;s audience was viewing it from a clever, feminist perspective. I saw this clip on another feminist site--maybe Feministe?-- and when I pointed out, &quot;If it&#039;s so empowering, why aren&#039;t men signing up?&quot; the best answer a stripper could muster up was that men aren&#039;t allowed in the class. Really? Is that the impenetrable barrier holding men back from their pole-dancing dreams? 

Let&#039;s look at the reason they&#039;re not allowed in the class in the first place; men&#039;s presence during sexual moves might make female students uncomfortable, right? So, why would it make women uncomfortable? It&#039;s so &lt;i&gt;empowering&lt;/i&gt; to do this for men, after all.

If the only reason men aren&#039;t falling over themselves to learn pole-dancing is because they are banned from the studio, why isn&#039;t the market countering with male-only or gender-inclusive studios then? They would certainly exist if the demand were there; where there&#039;s money to be made, business will crop up. And if the men are too impatient to wait for these mythical male-inclusive pole-dancing classes to be created, then why aren&#039;t they buying those popular stripper workout DVDs? They may not identify with a female teacher, you say? Why isn&#039;t some enterprising, photogenic guy filling the niche and getting himself rich?

The point is that men won&#039;t do it because they know what it means to be a woman in this society, they know what it means to be a woman on a pole, they know what they themselves think about women, and &lt;i&gt;they don&#039;t want for themselves what they think about women&lt;/i&gt;. Those pole-dancing girls just don&#039;t have the theory of mind yet to understand sexual-supremacist thinking. It&#039;s so naive. 

I can sort of see how it might be an interesting fitness challenge if the cultural context were completely removed: wear fitness clothes instead of pasties, nix the  moves that involve being spread-eagle, grinding the pole, etc., and viola! You have a really challenging workout that involves loads of body control getting up and down the pole. But then there&#039;s also emphasis on every remaining non-sleazy move being executed sexily and for male consumption. So should we nix all that too? There is no way to remove the activity from its cultural context (as proponents of stripping attempt to do) without it being a different activity altogether. I think the stripping-as-fitness element is the reasoning Amber, a sex-positive blogger, was using, but it&#039;s a fabricated scenario removing the argument from what this pole-dancing is in reality. Oh yes, this is about gymnastics! And the activity created itself in a cultural vacuum! Right. I hear beating your wife burns calories, too. It must be infallibly good, then--no questions asked!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good piece, not that I trust Colbert&#8217;s audience was viewing it from a clever, feminist perspective. I saw this clip on another feminist site&#8211;maybe Feministe?&#8211; and when I pointed out, &#8220;If it&#8217;s so empowering, why aren&#8217;t men signing up?&#8221; the best answer a stripper could muster up was that men aren&#8217;t allowed in the class. Really? Is that the impenetrable barrier holding men back from their pole-dancing dreams? </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at the reason they&#8217;re not allowed in the class in the first place; men&#8217;s presence during sexual moves might make female students uncomfortable, right? So, why would it make women uncomfortable? It&#8217;s so <i>empowering</i> to do this for men, after all.</p>
<p>If the only reason men aren&#8217;t falling over themselves to learn pole-dancing is because they are banned from the studio, why isn&#8217;t the market countering with male-only or gender-inclusive studios then? They would certainly exist if the demand were there; where there&#8217;s money to be made, business will crop up. And if the men are too impatient to wait for these mythical male-inclusive pole-dancing classes to be created, then why aren&#8217;t they buying those popular stripper workout DVDs? They may not identify with a female teacher, you say? Why isn&#8217;t some enterprising, photogenic guy filling the niche and getting himself rich?</p>
<p>The point is that men won&#8217;t do it because they know what it means to be a woman in this society, they know what it means to be a woman on a pole, they know what they themselves think about women, and <i>they don&#8217;t want for themselves what they think about women</i>. Those pole-dancing girls just don&#8217;t have the theory of mind yet to understand sexual-supremacist thinking. It&#8217;s so naive. </p>
<p>I can sort of see how it might be an interesting fitness challenge if the cultural context were completely removed: wear fitness clothes instead of pasties, nix the  moves that involve being spread-eagle, grinding the pole, etc., and viola! You have a really challenging workout that involves loads of body control getting up and down the pole. But then there&#8217;s also emphasis on every remaining non-sleazy move being executed sexily and for male consumption. So should we nix all that too? There is no way to remove the activity from its cultural context (as proponents of stripping attempt to do) without it being a different activity altogether. I think the stripping-as-fitness element is the reasoning Amber, a sex-positive blogger, was using, but it&#8217;s a fabricated scenario removing the argument from what this pole-dancing is in reality. Oh yes, this is about gymnastics! And the activity created itself in a cultural vacuum! Right. I hear beating your wife burns calories, too. It must be infallibly good, then&#8211;no questions asked!</p>
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